ffffuuuuuuu A Smash Bros. topic. Y U NO LEAVE ME IN PEACE SMASH BROS?
AtrumLevis, on 03 November 2011 - 12:45 PM, said:
Well... since this appears to be the current topic, guess I'll give my two cents on it.
In Smash Bros., the closest to "immortal" you can get is if you are one of the major Nintendo mascots, the main face (rep) of your franchise, extremely popular/recognizable, or one of the original 12.
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, DK, Wario, Link, Zelda, Samus, Kirby, arguably Meta Knight, Kind Dedede, Fox, Captain Falcon, Pikachu, arguably Jigglypuff, possibly Marth, and arguably Ness. This bunch of characters are pretty much GUARANTEED cut-proof due to their iconic status in Nintendo, where MK's notorious brokenness and connections with Sakurai will likely keep him around; Jigglypuff being part of the original 12 (and her similarities to Kirby are probably the ONLY reason she's been coming back); Marth being the first(?) FE lord of the franchise, and forming a positive and growing fanbase since Melee; and Ness due to being one of the original 12, and being one of the few competent EarthBound/MOTHER reps.
Everyone else is pretty much fodder brought about either because of nostalgia (Trainer, Ice Climbers, Diddy, Pit to a lesser extent now, Mr. Game & Watch, Falco to a lesser extent), being the most [or one of the most] current faces in their respective franchise (Ganondorf, Toon Link, Zero Suit Samus, Wolf, Olimar, Lucario, Ike, Lucas), having "special connections" to get into the game (Snake, Sonic's huge popularity), or God only knows why (R.O.B.).
Quite possibly the worst position you could be of all of these, is being just a "modern rep" to your franchise. And the only 2 that really come to mind are Ike and Lucario. Roy was replaced by Ike because Ike was the most recent lord; and Mewtwo was replaced by Lucario because Sakurai's an idiot like that sometimes. But now times have changed; where Ike was more of a well-known face, one of these days he'll be cut out and replaced with another modern lord, just as Roy was cut out before him. The same goes for Lucario; next to R.O.B., he's probably one of the most bitched about characters in the game. It doesn't help his cause much. The ONLY reason he was added was to promote Diamond and Pearl. Come Black and White, he's gone. I'm putting money on Zoroark, as by the time SSB4 even starts getting into some sort of production, the Victini movies (and Victini) will be long gone; Keldeo and Meloetta will likely have been revealed by that time, and while Meloetta could pull off being an interesting fighter, I don't see either of those two being very productive SSB material as they're not faces of the 5th Gen, just "secret" events. If anything, since we all know Ruby/Sapphire remakes are on the way, Deoxys will have more of a chance as being playable than Victini by that point; Deoxys would be perfect to promote the remakes, and Zoroark the BW games (if the 3rd installment hasn't already been leaked/revealed by then). Really wish I could fit Mewtwo somewhere in that equation, but that's another discussion all in itself.
tl;dr I have little hope in Ike returning by the time the next FE title hits shelves. It doesn't matter how cool or original a character you are, if you're not some major mascot for Nintendo, your ass is grass. And with the way Smash Bros. has been turning into, modern reps will dominate the fighting scene, leaving would-be modern faces in the dust. It's sad and sick how the promotion of games is what determines the next fighters, but I guess that's life for us.
Supervisor, on 30 September 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:
The SSE, while dull and annoying, with a nonsense plot, and a focus on Kirby-esque mechanics, wasn't my main gripe with the game. Instead, I dislike how strange the nostalgia in the game is handled. Metroid pulls just about nothing from Prime 2, and absolutely nothing from Prime 3. Samus uses her Super Metroid design. And yet, Donkey Kong apparently only existed since Jungle Beat and Barrel Blast.
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